Journalist Bob Woodward said in a radio interview on Friday with Hugh Hewitt that in the two years of investigative work that he conducted for his book “Fear,” he found no evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump and Russia — which Special Counsel Robert Mueller was hoping to find.
“There’s a lot complimentary in this book, the most important of which is John Dowd firmly believes, the president’s former lawyer, that the special counsel, Bob Mueller, has nothing,” Hewitt began. “There’s no collusion, there’s nothing. It’s all a play to get an 18 USC 1001 perjury trap, and that POTUS should never sit down. Is that a fair assessment of what John Dowd believes?”
“Oh, well, yeah, until we end,” Woodward said. “And finally, it, the point where Dowd resigns because he is convinced the president should not testify, Dowd concludes that Mueller had played him for a sucker, got all of the cooperation of 37 witnesses, a million pages-plus of campaign documents, 20,000 pages of White House documents. So in the end, as he says to the president, he said you were right. We can’t trust Mueller.”
Hewitt later brought up the firing of former FBI Director James Comey and asked Woodward if he had any evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia.
“So let’s set aside the Comey firing, which as a constitutional law professor, no one will ever persuade me can be obstruction,” Hewitt said. “And [Deputy Attorney General] Rod Rosenstein has laid out reasons why even if those weren’t the president’s reasons. Set aside the Comey firing. Did you, Bob Woodward, hear anything in your research in your interviews that sounded like espionage or collusion?”
“I did not, and of course, I looked for it, looked for it hard,” Woodward said. “And so you know, there we are. We’re going to see what Mueller has, and Dowd may be right. He has something that Dowd and the president don’t know about, a secret witness or somebody who has changed their testimony. As you know, that often happens, and that can break open or turn a case.”
Hewitt pressed Woodward again, asking: “But you’ve seen no collusion?”
“I have not,” Woodward said.
Nearly half an hour later, Hewitt once again pressed Woodward about collusion, asking: “Very last question, Bob Woodward, I just want to confirm, at the end of two years of writing this book, this intensive effort, you saw no effort, you, personally, had no evidence of collusion or espionage by the president presented to you?”
“That is correct,” Woodward said.