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Rep. Jerrold Nader (D-N.Y.) appeared to stun CNN’s Erin Burnett with his response to her question about whether President Donald Trump obstructed justice, a central claim of the president’s critics.

Nadler, who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, admitted that there as not yet enough evidence to positively conclude that the president obstructed justice, but that his personal opinion was that he had done so.

“You say the president, you know,” asked Burnett, “has obstructed justice, you’ve been clear about that, but you….”

“There’s certainly,” he interrupted, “there’s certainly a lot of evidence that he has, but that’s exactly the kind of thing we have to look into.”

“OK,” she paused, “so now you’re not sure he’s obstructed justice?”

“Personally I think he has,” he replied, “but we have to, we have to look and see.”

Nadler went on to say that many of the president’s public statements added up to obstruction, but that they needed more evidence to act on that accusation.

“Personal opinions are limited,” he explained, “if we’re gonna do anything, we have to have proof. I think there’s a lot of evidence, but I think we need to get a lot more evidence.”

Previous to his new statement, Nadler had made a much concrete statement of accusation against the president.

“It’s very clear that the president obstructed justice,” Nadler told ABC News on Sunday.

“It’s very clear,” he explained, “1,100 times he referred to the Mueller investigation as a witch hunt, he tried to — he fired — he tried to protect Flynn from being investigated by the FBI. He fired Comey in order to stop the Russian thing, as he told NBC News. He — he’s dangled part — he’s threat — he’s intimidated witnesses. In public.”

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